| Player | Game Time | Message |
|---|---|---|
| Angmar | 00:00 | gl hf |
| Tempest | 00:04 | gl hf |
| Tempest | 16:35 | lurkers are nuts |
| Tempest | 16:39 | so crazy below pro |
| Tempest | 16:43 | its wild |
| Angmar | 16:51 | more immortals |
| Tempest | 16:53 | they dominate everything on the ground |
| Angmar | 16:53 | and archons |
| Tempest | 16:59 | niether actually counter lurkers |
| Angmar | 17:00 | and yeah they do |
| Tempest | 17:03 | they dont |
| Angmar | 17:17 | you need to force me to split the lurkers |
| Tempest | 17:18 | lurkers will cost efficiently annihlate archon and imortal |
| Tempest | 17:19 | ya |
| Tempest | 17:21 | its counter attack |
| Tempest | 17:24 | but they are crazy |
| Tempest | 17:29 | they are so easy |
| Angmar | 17:31 | if the zergs gets to 14+ lurker |
| Angmar | 17:33 | you need air |
| Tempest | 17:36 | takes no skill to use |
| Tempest | 17:39 | but so hard to stop |
| Angmar | 17:41 | same for storm |
| Angmar | 17:42 | lol |
| Tempest | 17:50 | and obser4vers die |
| Tempest | 17:53 | so stupid easy |
| Angmar | 17:56 | you need oracles |
| Tempest | 17:59 | yea |
| Tempest | 18:02 | its dooable |
| Tempest | 18:10 | but lurkers just are imbalanced below pro |
| Angmar | 18:13 | I do it with oracles |
| Angmar | 18:15 | and tempest |
| Tempest | 18:21 | late game its fine |
| Angmar | 18:26 | or carriers if I have +2 |
| Tempest | 18:26 | but its getting to the 4th base |
| Tempest | 18:31 | carriers are awful |
| Tempest | 18:39 | tempest |
| Tempest | 18:40 | is great |
| Tempest | 18:50 | toss deathball can deal with it |
| Angmar | 18:53 | depends if you have upgrates on the carriers |
| Tempest | 18:57 | but the 4th base is hard |
| Tempest | 19:00 | not really |
| Tempest | 19:07 | corrupters counter them too hard |
| Angmar | 19:08 | you need to scout |
| Angmar | 19:16 | if you see a zerg on 4 bases |
| Angmar | 19:21 | you can take your 4th |
| Angmar | 19:28 | if you have 3 oracles defending |
| Tempest | 19:32 | you have to kinda cheese |
| Tempest | 19:35 | and i hate playing it |
| Tempest | 19:40 | glaive all in |
| Angmar | 19:44 | no |
| Tempest | 19:45 | or stalker oracle |
| Tempest | 19:47 | i like macro |
| Angmar | 19:48 | glaves sucks |
| Angmar | 19:57 | below 5k mmr |
| Angmar | 20:02 | glaives are not that good |
| Tempest | 20:05 | glaive adept can annihlate a fast expanding zerg |
| Angmar | 20:12 | in diamond |
| Tempest | 20:15 | oracle takes to much micro |
| Angmar | 20:17 | not on m2+ |
| Tempest | 20:18 | they are insane at pro |
| Tempest | 20:22 | horrible below |
| Angmar | 20:25 | yeah |
| Tempest | 20:28 | spores just punch to hard |
| Tempest | 20:40 | anyway |
| Tempest | 20:40 | g |
| Tempest | 20:41 | g |
| Angmar | 20:41 | the meta on pro is not the meta on m2 |
| Tempest | 20:42 | wp |
| Angmar | 20:43 | or below |
| Angmar | 20:45 | ggwp |
| Angmar | 20:48 | (hearts) |
| Tempest | 20:53 | i think pro is bad for toss |
| Tempest | 21:03 | i think below master its crazy easy |
| Angmar | 21:06 | it's fine |
| Tempest | 21:13 | pro is terrible for toss lol |
| Angmar | 21:19 | toss have a really high skill cealing |
| Tempest | 21:19 | look at standing |
| Angmar | 21:35 | 2 gls champs |
| Tempest | 21:36 | no its the opposite |
| Angmar | 21:43 | 1 toss on global finals |
| Tempest | 21:48 | toss is easier to play but you cant maximize as much |
| Tempest | 22:00 | terran is the highest skill ceiling |
| Tempest | 22:04 | and the strongest race |
| Angmar | 22:26 | it's toss but no human can be that good |
| Angmar | 22:33 | clem has a lot of apm |
| Tempest | 22:34 | terran is the stronest |
| Tempest | 22:37 | strongest |
| Angmar | 22:39 | so he can abuse a lot of things |
| Tempest | 22:42 | toss is the weakest |
| Tempest | 22:47 | but the easiest to play |
| Angmar | 22:55 | ill say zerg is the weakest |
| Angmar | 22:59 | but creep is imba |
| Tempest | 23:00 | its really not |
| Angmar | 23:03 | free vision |
| Angmar | 23:10 | they should nerf the vision |
| Tempest | 23:13 | toss needs a late game upgrade improving gateway units |
| Angmar | 23:14 | to force zerg to scout |
| Tempest | 23:25 | gateway to just not competitive |
| Angmar | 23:27 | ill desagree |
| Angmar | 23:32 | gateways are fine |
| Tempest | 23:34 | and toss has by far the worst base unit |
| Angmar | 23:36 | they need a better tier 3 |
| Tempest | 23:39 | marine is the best |
| Tempest | 23:45 | then zergling |
| Tempest | 23:49 | and zealot is trash |
| Angmar | 23:54 | bro I beat 4.4k terran spamming charge |
| Angmar | 23:55 | lmao |
| Tempest | 24:04 | they are bad then |
| Angmar | 24:09 | if you make them stronger you will break the game |
| Tempest | 24:13 | the moement they get a criticle mass |
| Tempest | 24:15 | zealot does nothing |
| Angmar | 24:28 | but that point you should have storm or colossus |
| Tempest | 24:30 | zealot also does nothing to late game zerg |
| Angmar | 24:36 | wtf |
| Angmar | 24:39 | you dont play zerg xD |
| Angmar | 24:43 | I have them |
| Tempest | 24:47 | i have a masters zerg |
| Angmar | 24:51 | they clear bases really easy |
| Tempest | 24:53 | you can get master just making lings |
| Angmar | 25:07 | ill agree on that |
| Angmar | 25:14 | 12 pool is a great build if you can micro |
| Tempest | 25:32 | but lurkers i have such an issue iwth |
| Tempest | 25:33 | with |
| Angmar | 25:37 | scout |
| Tempest | 25:39 | like if im ahead its pretty easy |
| Angmar | 25:41 | and transition |
| Tempest | 25:45 | just keep pressure and rotate |
| Tempest | 25:53 | but it doesnt feel balanced |
| Angmar | 26:00 | it is |
| Tempest | 26:09 | like its dumb that nothing toss has can push into lurkers |
| Angmar | 26:10 | if you let me get 14 lurkers |
| Tempest | 26:11 | nothing |
| Tempest | 26:13 | excpet tempest |
| Angmar | 26:15 | you are doing something wrong |
| Angmar | 26:30 | same if I let you get the golden armada |
| Tempest | 26:40 | thats not actually true though |
| Tempest | 26:48 | corrupter vipe is actually better |
| Tempest | 26:51 | its just harder to use |
| Angmar | 26:57 | I have lost a lot of games to 5K toss |
| Tempest | 26:58 | which is why serral dominates all pro toss |
| Angmar | 27:00 | that just spam air |
| Angmar | 27:07 | and I cant get to do anything |
| Tempest | 27:14 | you cant go pure air |
| Tempest | 27:15 | its horrible |
| Angmar | 27:19 | lmao |
| Tempest | 27:21 | you need heavy archon |
| Angmar | 27:22 | it works |
| Tempest | 27:25 | it doesnt |
| Angmar | 27:34 | I lost a lot of game to guys that just spam carriers |
| Tempest | 27:38 | you can 200 supply carrier and corrupters will annihate it |
| Angmar | 27:50 | in practice it does |
| Angmar | 27:57 | when I play I get rolled over |
| Tempest | 28:04 | 0-0 corrupters will trade cost efficients with 3-3 carriers |
| Angmar | 28:06 | skill gap is real |
| Tempest | 28:10 | which is insane |
| Tempest | 28:20 | 3-3 corrupters its a joke |
| Angmar | 28:33 | I dont think so |
| Tempest | 28:39 | check youtube |
| Tempest | 28:42 | they did a video |
| Angmar | 28:47 | yeah but in a real game |
| Angmar | 28:56 | most of the time they get rolled over |
| Angmar | 29:02 | unless is pro play |
| Tempest | 29:07 | i mean with archons and storm |
| Tempest | 29:25 | but toss doesnt have any air that can trade cost effectively with corrupter or viking |
| Tempest | 29:30 | its not made to |
| Tempest | 29:36 | its made for ground /air |
| Tempest | 29:44 | they nerfed carriers until they are not good enough |
| Angmar | 29:51 | in games below 5K |
| Angmar | 30:09 | those rules dont always work |
| Tempest | 30:32 | toss has always been the weakest race but its performance in lower leagues skews the needle |
| Angmar | 30:39 | no |
| Angmar | 30:42 | 4 gate |
| Angmar | 30:44 | was super broken |
| Tempest | 30:47 | if you look at tournament wins and how low toss has performed |
| Angmar | 30:50 | on early WOL |
| Tempest | 31:05 | ok more then a decade ago |
| Angmar | 31:07 | all weekly torney are full of toss |
| Angmar | 31:24 | Hero and Classic won the last 2 GLS |
| Angmar | 31:36 | the toss player at one point was clem with his toss |
| Angmar | 31:56 | top* |
| Angmar | 32:07 | almost all gms are toss |
| Angmar | 32:11 | on all servers |
| Tempest | 32:23 | the top SC2 is EWC not GSL but |
| Tempest | 32:40 | you know toss has been on the shit end of pro touraments for years |
| Tempest | 32:53 | there are like 3 pro toss players are are viable |
| Angmar | 32:56 | EWC the finals was zvp |
| Angmar | 33:02 | and also serral exist |
| Angmar | 33:08 | he is the flash of sc2 |
| Tempest | 33:21 | hero/classic/maxpax |
| Tempest | 33:29 | only 3 players that can compete |
| Angmar | 33:39 | serral/dark/reynor |
| Angmar | 33:47 | below that they are all trash |
| Angmar | 33:57 | terran has more even play ground |
| Tempest | 34:46 | there is 1 toss in the top 1 ranked |
| Tempest | 34:50 | 10 |
| Tempest | 34:59 | maxpax is 10 and hero is 11 |
| Angmar | 35:22 | classic? |
| Tempest | 35:22 | anyway gg |
| Angmar | 35:55 | gg |
