| Player | Game Time | Message |
|---|---|---|
| llllllllllIl | 00:34 | gllg |
| llllllllllIl | 00:36 | glgl |
| MrZergling | 00:39 | gl hf |
| MrZergling | 01:02 | I'm so close to masters ^_^ |
| llllllllllIl | 01:07 | g |
| llllllllllIl | 01:08 | l |
| llllllllllIl | 01:17 | hope you get it soon :) |
| llllllllllIl | 01:27 | i remember the grind |
| llllllllllIl | 01:28 | myself |
| llllllllllIl | 01:29 | lol |
| MrZergling | 01:36 | yeah I've faced like 3/4ths masters tonight |
| MrZergling | 01:42 | has to happen soon |
| llllllllllIl | 01:45 | its really tough |
| llllllllllIl | 01:52 | making the jump |
| llllllllllIl | 02:09 | diamond goes from like |
| MrZergling | 02:09 | yeah I went from gold to dia |
| llllllllllIl | 02:15 | to |
| MrZergling | 02:15 | at the beginnning of hots |
| llllllllllIl | 02:23 | 97 percentile |
| llllllllllIl | 02:38 | u have to like |
| llllllllllIl | 02:44 | beat the top %'s |
| llllllllllIl | 02:46 | to advance |
| llllllllllIl | 02:47 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 03:05 | idk its just |
| llllllllllIl | 03:10 | tough in my mind |
| llllllllllIl | 03:49 | why are you so quiet now |
| llllllllllIl | 03:50 | O.O |
| llllllllllIl | 03:59 | what did i do BIBLETHUMP |
| llllllllllIl | 04:01 | kappa |
| MrZergling | 04:05 | just focusing |
| llllllllllIl | 04:13 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 04:15 | u supposed |
| llllllllllIl | 04:19 | to have more apm than me |
| llllllllllIl | 04:29 | being "zerg" and all |
| MrZergling | 04:31 | kpm Kappa |
| MrZergling | 04:53 | I don't really spam |
| llllllllllIl | 05:07 | no one does |
| llllllllllIl | 09:07 | its a trap |
| MrZergling | 10:06 | god damn impossible to bust toss |
| MrZergling | 10:07 | :P |
| llllllllllIl | 11:04 | i took |
| llllllllllIl | 11:05 | a third |
| llllllllllIl | 11:09 | before i moved out |
| llllllllllIl | 11:25 | i macro |
| llllllllllIl | 11:26 | all day |
| llllllllllIl | 11:28 | eryday |
| llllllllllIl | 11:30 | in pvz |
| llllllllllIl | 13:03 | u killed so many |
| llllllllllIl | 13:06 | of my sentries |
| MrZergling | 13:15 | like 2 |
| llllllllllIl | 13:18 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 13:20 | 6 |
| llllllllllIl | 15:01 | LOL |
| llllllllllIl | 15:08 | ur funny |
| llllllllllIl | 18:04 | lol dude |
| MrZergling | 18:37 | I'm bored of macro play lol |
| MrZergling | 20:18 | zerg macro play gets boring |
| llllllllllIl | 20:27 | when u play imbahosts |
| llllllllllIl | 20:28 | i bet |
| MrZergling | 20:42 | have you ever tried to beat late game toss without em? |
| llllllllllIl | 20:50 | i'll admit |
| llllllllllIl | 20:52 | its hard |
| llllllllllIl | 20:58 | but if you know exactly what the toss |
| llllllllllIl | 21:00 | is doing |
| llllllllllIl | 21:04 | i think z |
| llllllllllIl | 21:06 | has the adv |
| MrZergling | 21:07 | muta switches |
| llllllllllIl | 21:09 | macro |
| llllllllllIl | 21:10 | or not |
| MrZergling | 21:10 | or hosts |
| llllllllllIl | 21:14 | no |
| MrZergling | 21:14 | only options |
| llllllllllIl | 21:17 | early viper |
| llllllllllIl | 21:21 | ultra infestor |
| llllllllllIl | 21:24 | blinding cloud |
| MrZergling | 21:25 | still needs to end the game |
| MrZergling | 21:33 | with a viper push |
| llllllllllIl | 21:34 | all viable |
| llllllllllIl | 21:39 | and yes |
| llllllllllIl | 21:42 | muta switch |
| llllllllllIl | 21:46 | at ANY POINT |
| llllllllllIl | 21:49 | afte ra good trade |
| MrZergling | 21:58 | the point is |
| MrZergling | 22:04 | all those comps |
| MrZergling | 22:10 | require you to make a good trade |
| MrZergling | 22:15 | and switch |
| llllllllllIl | 22:25 | i guess |
| llllllllllIl | 22:29 | my units are more expensive |
| llllllllllIl | 22:32 | what do u want lol |
| MrZergling | 22:45 | I didn't manage to get to it |
| llllllllllIl | 22:55 | get to what |
| MrZergling | 22:58 | but the only long term viable comp for zerg v late game p |
| MrZergling | 23:05 | is sh/corrupter/viper |
| llllllllllIl | 23:14 | sure long term |
| llllllllllIl | 23:15 | but |
| llllllllllIl | 23:23 | i don't think zerg is supposed to be played |
| llllllllllIl | 23:25 | like that |
| llllllllllIl | 23:32 | its too imba |
| llllllllllIl | 23:33 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 23:37 | bl infestor |
| llllllllllIl | 23:39 | in wol |
| llllllllllIl | 23:45 | was a 'viable' |
| MrZergling | 23:45 | I'm just all-in ing for every game right now |
| llllllllllIl | 23:48 | late game comp |
| llllllllllIl | 23:51 | well |
| llllllllllIl | 23:54 | if u want |
| llllllllllIl | 23:55 | gm |
| llllllllllIl | 23:57 | EVER |
| llllllllllIl | 24:01 | u can't do this |
| MrZergling | 24:04 | to try to train multitasking |
| MrZergling | 24:10 | I don't care about gm |
| MrZergling | 24:14 | right now |
| llllllllllIl | 24:16 | you will |
| llllllllllIl | 24:19 | once you hit masters |
| MrZergling | 24:23 | yeah |
| MrZergling | 24:28 | I'm worrying about that first |
| llllllllllIl | 24:31 | after a while |
| llllllllllIl | 24:32 | still |
| llllllllllIl | 24:34 | even masters |
| llllllllllIl | 24:36 | its easier |
| llllllllllIl | 24:39 | if you can macro well |
| llllllllllIl | 24:43 | anyway as a diamon zerg |
| llllllllllIl | 24:49 | u don't have to play late game toss |
| llllllllllIl | 24:51 | most toss |
| llllllllllIl | 24:52 | can't ff |
| llllllllllIl | 24:54 | can't macro |
| llllllllllIl | 24:59 | can't do anything late game |
| llllllllllIl | 25:03 | they just all in |
| llllllllllIl | 25:09 | all you need to do is defend |
| MrZergling | 25:18 | that gets boring |
| MrZergling | 25:21 | oh look |
| llllllllllIl | 25:23 | well dude |
| llllllllllIl | 25:26 | what do you want |
| MrZergling | 25:26 | another 7 gate |
| llllllllllIl | 25:31 | masters |
| MrZergling | 25:31 | yawwnnnn |
| llllllllllIl | 25:32 | or |
| llllllllllIl | 25:38 | exciting games |
| llllllllllIl | 25:39 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 25:40 | pick one |
| MrZergling | 25:40 | I'll get masters here soon |
| MrZergling | 25:48 | preferably |
| MrZergling | 25:50 | both |
| llllllllllIl | 25:54 | yeah well |
| llllllllllIl | 25:58 | then |
| llllllllllIl | 26:07 | lol |
| MrZergling | 26:12 | I tried to get to masters |
| MrZergling | 26:14 | for a year |
| MrZergling | 26:18 | with standard macro |
| llllllllllIl | 26:22 | i mean |
| llllllllllIl | 26:25 | then your'e not good enough |
| MrZergling | 26:27 | I have made more progress in 2 weeks |
| llllllllllIl | 26:29 | to be in masters |
| llllllllllIl | 26:34 | i;m sorry |
| llllllllllIl | 26:36 | its like |
| llllllllllIl | 26:41 | me trying to immortal all in |
| llllllllllIl | 26:44 | to masters |
| llllllllllIl | 26:50 | it honestly doesn't work that well |
| MrZergling | 26:51 | that can work though... |
| llllllllllIl | 26:53 | its so expected |
| llllllllllIl | 26:58 | not really |
| llllllllllIl | 27:01 | u can do it to diamond |
| llllllllllIl | 27:03 | every zerg |
| llllllllllIl | 27:08 | has gotten hit with that |
| llllllllllIl | 27:09 | though |
| llllllllllIl | 27:10 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 27:11 | 100 times |
| MrZergling | 27:14 | I have made more progress to masterrs in 2 weeks |
| MrZergling | 27:19 | with cheese |
| llllllllllIl | 27:20 | i agree |
| llllllllllIl | 27:23 | bit |
| MrZergling | 27:25 | than I did in 6 months |
| llllllllllIl | 27:26 | okay well |
| llllllllllIl | 27:30 | if you get masters |
| MrZergling | 27:30 | with standardd macro |
| llllllllllIl | 27:31 | by cheesing |
| llllllllllIl | 27:34 | let me know |
| llllllllllIl | 27:40 | i'll be impressed |
| MrZergling | 27:42 | then I'll work on my macro more |
| llllllllllIl | 27:47 | you can't |
| llllllllllIl | 27:52 | you'll be playing people |
| llllllllllIl | 27:53 | 10x |
| llllllllllIl | 27:55 | better than yiu |
| llllllllllIl | 27:57 | you |
| llllllllllIl | 28:04 | its fine |
| llllllllllIl | 28:07 | do what you want |
| llllllllllIl | 28:12 | getting msters is cool |
| llllllllllIl | 28:13 | i agree |
| MrZergling | 28:26 | I think the best enviroment to learn |
| llllllllllIl | 28:27 | i'm playing on a aptop |
| llllllllllIl | 28:28 | btw |
| MrZergling | 28:31 | to improve my macro |
| llllllllllIl | 28:37 | its not |
| MrZergling | 28:39 | is playing people 10x better than me |
| MrZergling | 28:46 | and get crushed every game |
| llllllllllIl | 28:47 | okay so |
| llllllllllIl | 28:49 | maybe |
| llllllllllIl | 28:50 | 1 |
| llllllllllIl | 28:55 | your mmr will tank |
| MrZergling | 28:55 | that way I can learn something |
| llllllllllIl | 28:56 | and 2 |
| llllllllllIl | 28:59 | you need to learn |
| llllllllllIl | 29:02 | the stepping stones |
| llllllllllIl | 29:05 | for why macro games |
| llllllllllIl | 29:10 | turn out the way they do |
| llllllllllIl | 29:12 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 29:17 | why ect ect |
| MrZergling | 29:17 | I got top dia through macro |
| llllllllllIl | 29:21 | has been |
| llllllllllIl | 29:23 | become |
| llllllllllIl | 29:25 | the meta |
| llllllllllIl | 29:35 | become* |
| llllllllllIl | 29:47 | if u just go to straight top level macro |
| llllllllllIl | 29:52 | you won't understand a lot of things |
| llllllllllIl | 29:53 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 29:56 | behind the meta |
| llllllllllIl | 30:02 | and you will suffer because of it |
| MrZergling | 30:02 | it's not like |
| MrZergling | 30:06 | it's complicated |
| llllllllllIl | 30:09 | it is |
| llllllllllIl | 30:15 | otherwise everyone would run tank |
| MrZergling | 30:15 | this is a game |
| llllllllllIl | 30:18 | on the money |
| llllllllllIl | 30:20 | lol |
| MrZergling | 30:21 | with certain rules |
| llllllllllIl | 30:22 | okay bud |
| llllllllllIl | 30:25 | dude |
| llllllllllIl | 30:26 | no |
| llllllllllIl | 30:33 | starcraft has een out for |
| llllllllllIl | 30:34 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 30:37 | 4 years |
| llllllllllIl | 30:43 | 15 if you count sc1 |
| MrZergling | 30:47 | and it's figured out pretty much |
| llllllllllIl | 30:48 | and it still isn't figured out |
| llllllllllIl | 30:52 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 30:55 | okay |
| MrZergling | 31:02 | bl/infestor was zergs figuring out WoL |
| llllllllllIl | 31:15 | you're wrong |
| llllllllllIl | 31:19 | but whatever |
| llllllllllIl | 31:23 | you're a diamond cheeser |
| llllllllllIl | 31:28 | why would i argue with you |
| MrZergling | 31:33 | well you are |
| llllllllllIl | 31:34 | i'm playing unranked |
| MrZergling | 31:39 | so you must have a reason |
| llllllllllIl | 31:58 | i did |
| llllllllllIl | 32:07 | now that i've heard your view on sc |
| MrZergling | 32:22 | I'll probably go back to macro sometime before I hit masters |
| llllllllllIl | 32:29 | its okay dude |
| llllllllllIl | 32:30 | like |
| MrZergling | 32:30 | once I get bored of a cheese style |
| llllllllllIl | 32:36 | i'm actually wrong |
| MrZergling | 32:42 | and think I've improved my multitasking and micro |
| llllllllllIl | 32:44 | to say u have to macro to get to master |
| llllllllllIl | 32:48 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 32:52 | its all about what you want |
| llllllllllIl | 33:13 | even if something IS better for your gameplay |
| llllllllllIl | 33:16 | in the longterm |
| llllllllllIl | 33:18 | like |
| llllllllllIl | 33:24 | a lot of people just want masters |
| llllllllllIl | 33:25 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 33:28 | who am i to say |
| MrZergling | 33:31 | I lost sight for a while |
| MrZergling | 33:37 | of the fact that this is just a game |
| MrZergling | 33:49 | forgot to have fun with it |
| llllllllllIl | 34:01 | i want to make challenger league |
| llllllllllIl | 34:06 | next year |
| llllllllllIl | 34:19 | with the region lock |
| MrZergling | 34:22 | I have no aspiration of ever going pro |
| llllllllllIl | 34:32 | its more than a game to me at this point |
| llllllllllIl | 34:42 | i love starcraft |
| llllllllllIl | 34:43 | but |
| llllllllllIl | 34:49 | its more than a game to me |
| MrZergling | 35:13 | for a while it was more than a game to me too |
| llllllllllIl | 35:17 | sounds kinda fucked up |
| llllllllllIl | 35:20 | but |
| MrZergling | 35:32 | but I got depressed and fucked up cause I felt like I wasn't improving at it |
| llllllllllIl | 35:35 | i think thats the mindset |
| llllllllllIl | 35:47 | you need to make something like challenger league |
| llllllllllIl | 36:04 | yeah its probably tough |
| llllllllllIl | 36:06 | for zerg |
| llllllllllIl | 36:12 | ik a lot of zerg buddies |
| llllllllllIl | 36:27 | that have a really hard time |
| llllllllllIl | 36:30 | getting into masters |
| llllllllllIl | 36:33 | from diamond |
| llllllllllIl | 36:35 | by macroing |
| MrZergling | 36:48 | lol I got from gold to dia |
| MrZergling | 36:51 | in 1 season |
| MrZergling | 36:56 | with 12 min roach max |
| llllllllllIl | 37:05 | yep |
| llllllllllIl | 37:15 | diamond level is like |
| llllllllllIl | 37:23 | lol |
| llllllllllIl | 37:29 | u can pick one super strong build |
| llllllllllIl | 37:31 | and just do it |
| llllllllllIl | 37:37 | over and over again |
| llllllllllIl | 37:39 | and perfect it |
| llllllllllIl | 37:43 | and make diamond |
| llllllllllIl | 37:46 | if you're a noob that is |
| MrZergling | 37:52 | then I got to top diamond through reactive play |
| llllllllllIl | 37:56 | iif you're not u don't need to ofc |
| MrZergling | 37:56 | but reactive play |
| MrZergling | 37:59 | is frusterating |
| llllllllllIl | 38:12 | yeah |
| llllllllllIl | 38:18 | i'd honestly get some coaching |
| llllllllllIl | 38:23 | only because |
| llllllllllIl | 38:28 | you skipped a lot of steps |
| MrZergling | 38:46 | according to a lot of people |
| MrZergling | 38:52 | reactive play is the only step |
| MrZergling | 38:56 | in a zerg handbook |
| llllllllllIl | 39:00 | no like |
| llllllllllIl | 39:08 | you would have learned a lot of stuff |
| llllllllllIl | 39:11 | about macroing |
| llllllllllIl | 39:14 | if u have macrod |
| llllllllllIl | 39:18 | through gold - diamond |
| llllllllllIl | 39:21 | thats what i mean |
| llllllllllIl | 39:27 | you can catch up quickly |
| llllllllllIl | 39:30 | with some coaching |
| llllllllllIl | 39:33 | or grind out games |
| llllllllllIl | 39:43 | and lose because of little things you don't realize |
| MrZergling | 39:45 | that's what I'm doing |
| llllllllllIl | 39:46 | or |
| MrZergling | 39:51 | the other reason I cheese |
| llllllllllIl | 39:53 | chees to masters |
| MrZergling | 39:56 | is to build decision making |
| llllllllllIl | 39:58 | u can try it |
| llllllllllIl | 40:00 | its hard |
| MrZergling | 40:02 | cause when I do some damage |
| MrZergling | 40:06 | but not enough |
| llllllllllIl | 40:07 | do you use |
| MrZergling | 40:12 | can't really tell who is ahead |
| llllllllllIl | 40:14 | whats your injecting method? |
| MrZergling | 40:25 | I'm learning base hotkeys |
| MrZergling | 40:29 | previously spacebar |
| llllllllllIl | 40:43 | backspace injecting? |
| MrZergling | 40:47 | yeah |
| llllllllllIl | 40:54 | do you actually use that> |
| MrZergling | 40:56 | I'm trying to use base camera hotkeys |
| MrZergling | 40:59 | now |
| llllllllllIl | 41:01 | or are you trying to |
| llllllllllIl | 41:06 | yeah you need to do that |
| llllllllllIl | 41:08 | first |
| llllllllllIl | 41:13 | thats the most important thing |
| llllllllllIl | 41:18 | for a zerg |
| llllllllllIl | 41:22 | then add camera keys |
| llllllllllIl | 41:25 | camera keys |
| llllllllllIl | 41:32 | are the most important thing |
| llllllllllIl | 41:33 | for a toss |
| llllllllllIl | 41:45 | well |
| llllllllllIl | 41:47 | idk |
| llllllllllIl | 41:52 | theres a lot of stuff |
| llllllllllIl | 41:58 | if u want to macro as a protoss |
| llllllllllIl | 42:09 | my apm is like 150 |
| llllllllllIl | 42:13 | at the end of every game |
| llllllllllIl | 42:14 | but |
| llllllllllIl | 42:19 | camera actions |
| llllllllllIl | 42:22 | or camera hotkeys |
| llllllllllIl | 42:28 | don't get counted by the apm meter |
| llllllllllIl | 42:38 | and i ONLY use them to cycle through my bases |
| llllllllllIl | 42:40 | to chrono |
| llllllllllIl | 42:43 | and macro |
| llllllllllIl | 42:59 | make like 3 camera keys in a replay or a custom game |
| llllllllllIl | 43:01 | and spam them |
| llllllllllIl | 43:07 | then watch the replay |
| llllllllllIl | 43:14 | look atthe apm chart |
| llllllllllIl | 43:16 | it will say 0 |
| llllllllllIl | 43:29 | alright man |
| MrZergling | 43:33 | gg |
